IMO....Kennedy's have never ever been left. In fact, had JFK lived in our time, he certainly would have been a Republican. Kennedy's are not revolutionaries, socialists, or communists and will never lean in that direction. They are establishment. But frankly, we ain't going to have a revolution of the true left or be run by Communists in this country. EVER. You know that correct? I think you are fighting for a country you want that is another country. This is a capitalist nation that if you grew up in the 50's like I did and not the 60's, you would have felt deeply was all about American strength, innovation and power that made us the envy of the world. It was CAPITALISM that did that. So what has gone wrong? Greed, arrogance and laws that protect the wealthy. Billionaires and the merger of state and industry... In other words, we have lost the checks and balances that kept us sane. The best one can do in the USA is REFORM it. That is what RFK Jr. - the son of a man he saw being killed - a lawyer - a believer in public health is all about. REFORM. He is not a revolutionary. He is not wanting to take down the entire structure. And right now given all the other sell outs who are running the show, he looks to me like a decent human being with old fashioned values from the past who would be a lot better in some ways than the nincompoops tripping over their own feet. That's what makes him a Kennedy.
Bobby makes no bones about the CIA being responsible for the deaths of his uncle and father. Perhaps he can do better at convincing the public that the Deep State IS evil and in control. Surely better than the awkward attempts by Trump.
I did listen to part of the speech, but he's couching his words and not being completely honest to his true feelings. However, I tend to watch what people DO, and ignore much of what they say. He's been doing amazing things with Children's Health Defense, and his book exposed Fauci and his minions. I can overlook political speeches, as no one is perfect. I think he's completely wrong about Ukraine; perhaps just doesn't know what a cesspool it is, or he's dancing around the facts. Regardless, let's hope he brings some interesting things to the nasty table of politics.
Cindy, Bobby is trying to create an upbeat message. Also here is Kunstler's link and take at end of my text. I think you might gain something from reading it. Kunstler makes his points better than I ever could. We need a mythology, Cindy. Americans desire a mythic figure. That is why Hollywood celebrities are placed on pedestals. We are not a socialist/communist country AND NEVER WILL BE at least not in our lifetime. We are in essence a British colony with colonial leaders who COLONIZE other countries. We are a CLASS society like the British....we may have gotten pissy in the Revolutionary War because we wanted to break away from mommy and daddy but we ended up becoming a much bigger exploitative empire than England. BECAUSE THAT IS WHO WE ARE. You still have not addressed this argument. People from WW2 like my mom and dad used to call dissenters TRAITORS. And in a sense dissenters are because they are not dealing with the fundamental reality that WE ARE A COLONIZING SUPER POWER because we CHOSE to be from the get go....I do not think that will change unless the majority of people living here DECIDE to get rid of the constitutional form of government we have and start reading Lenin...they do not even teach him in college history classes for the most part. The Communist Party in this country is a JOKE. Aging limping men waving the Marxist doctrine and no one listening and that's in BERKELEY and was actually 30 years ago when I moved here. Kunstler's article: https://open.substack.com/pub/merylnass/p/bobby-steps-up-by-james-howard-kunstler?r=rfhr&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
Thanks for sharing that post. RFK, Jr. makes Biden look like a doddering fool, Hillary like a screaming banshee, and Trump like the court jester. I don't think it will happen, but it would be nice to have a President that looks like an intelligent statesman.
I think Eisenhower and Kennedy were the epitome of modern moderate American Constitutional Presidents FOR THE PEOPLE. Maybe this is why they respected each other?
There was that 26 years.....I have searched history and can't find one. It's my understanding that native genocide happened all the way up to the 1900's....so, there's those war crimes, now name a president from say, Wilson, that wasn't a war criminal. Probably the least bad one was Harding who released Eugene Debs, but he was only president for 2 years. Some were worse than others, but I can't real rate murder from bad to worse, myself.
Cindy, not sure why WW2 is a war that wasn't necessary? Hitler and the Reich was destroying countries and people. Are you saying you would have refused to be in military service if you had lived then? Or are you suggesting WW2 could have been prevented had the US been involved sooner? Or is this about Pearl Harbor? I guess I want to know why Eisenhower was a war criminal? And also why Kennedy was as well?
When did I ever say that WW2 wasn't necessary, but WW1 wasn't necessary, and there never would have been a Hitler if there wasn't a WWI. Ford, Harriman, Bush, Rockerfeller, etc ALL supported Hitler and with their help he was elected Chancellor--then they sold stuff to him. All of the Nazi jeeps were Ford. Read War is a Racket if you haven't. Nothing has changed. WW2 was another banker's war and the US didn't give a fuck about the Jews and others in concentration camps. Stalin and the USSR were the first to liberate those. I would have fought against Hitler if I lived in the USSR. I would have fought with the Republicans in Spain and Ireland. I would fight against any evil with the people of any country. I won't fight/die in banker's wars and just so sorry I wasn't this well informed when Casey was killed. Did I say JFK was a war criminal???? You made a lot of assumptions and put a lot of words in my mouth there. Nothing I saw on this thread is going to disabuse anyone of their mythic understanding of US history. I hope everyone has a great weekend. Peace, out.
Yes, I've heard and read this decades after he supposedly did this (on his own?) and they all lead back to one book written in the late 1980s. I would have to see historically credible sources, not someone who is selling their book. Every account I have read about German prisoners of war is that they were treated fabulously by Americans in comparison to how they were treated by their own leaders. My Dad worked in NY airport during the 1950s with a German WWII Veteran who was Hitler's airplane mechanic
Well the Assassination of Patrice Lumumba was signed-off upon, during Eisenhower's Presidency. That's one, at least. I'm fairly certain that a bunch of Operation GLADIO took place on his watch, too.
He and Kennedy seem quaint by today's standards for Warcrimes with impugnity ... But it's doubtless that they were both involved.
It's amazing to me that his children turned out so well, because Joe Kennedy was the scourge of the earth. I've heard he even liked Hitler. It's difficult to know the truth, but there's plenty of smoke.
A lot of folks were and are anti Semitic re Hitler's destruction. They deny the Holocaust and say it was exaggerated still to this day...Joe Kennedy senior was a brutal authoritarian. One thing people forget is that Irish immigrants in the Boston area were considered less than monkeys...same as Italians...so the stance of machismo and bullying was partly to survive the onslaught of Brahminism in Boston society. Different times.
Joe Kennedy was a Rum-Runner, in bed with La Cosa Nostra, going back to the Prohibition era, at least - which explains how he made deals with Mobsters, to help get JFK votes in Chicago. To betray your business partners, like Sam Giancana and Thomas Marcello - you first have to make deals with them.
I heard a lot of anti-IrishAmerican stories from Dad via his father in NY who was intensely involved with the early labor union movement during the times of "Irish need not apply" and "the Irish are n-word turned inside out"
Imho, the totalitarian Globalists have intentionally mis-labelled Medical Freedom as a movement of "the right" in order to distract from their own medical tyranny within the Great Reset.
Me too. I saw the current Medical Freedom movement begin in 2015 California state politics with the passing of Democrat-sponsored SB 277 which essentially destroyed CA parental rights regarding vaccination. A LOT of CA Democrat parents switched to Republican in California at that time, some even moved out of the state altogether. That might be "the roots" of "the right" Medical Freedom movement?
The Nazis blamed the problems of Germany on Communists, Jews, "the Left: "Jewish Bolshevism", etc
They were supported and aided by large swaths of US Capitalists in the 30's and more covertly after the US entered the war (Second Imperialist War) aided and abetted by Wall Street elites like the Dulles brothers. All this has been amply written about by honest historians.
They all shared a terror of the USSR as setting an alternative economic/social model (even in its acute Stalinist phase). That was their great fear. The overthrow of Capitalism which was a real possibility post-1929 crash. Then as now they support fascist forces, presently most glaringly in Ukraine.
There's not much difference in outcomes from Fascism or Communism. Both are totalitarians, and in complete opposition to freedom and liberty. As Kennedy has spoken eloquently about the collusion between government and big corporations, I would never consider him to be a fascist. His past and present actions do not align with that ideology.
I do not say Kennedy is a "fascist" by any stretch.
One thing which did impress me about his speech is that he could speak more or less extemporaneously and mostly cogently for 2 hours. There is no other candidate for Pres of the US in my lifetime who could match it.
His defenses of nature -- and how it is being degraded -- was sincere and moving.
He also mentioned that democracy and civil liberties were incompatible with the vast wealth gulf which exists in the US. Bingo. He knows the science of climate destabilization quite well also. Yes, it is real AND is being used by the powers-that-should-not-be to further a totalitarian agenda. The single most egregious polluter on the planet is the US War Machine not us driving around in our gas guzzling autos.
Fascism historically understood is in essence a reaction to the Socialism which was embodied in that era by the USSR in the eyes of the capitalist rulers. It provided an alternate path which scared the big industrialists since it threatened their ill gotten gains at the expense of the working class.
The descent of the USSR into a Stalinist authoritarian bureaucracy is a related discussion but I do not intend to hijack this comment stream to pursue it. ;-)
More than likely you are correct, Cindy. BUT.....this is an unusual turn of events with RFK Jr and methinks there is something driving him that goes beyond politics ...I do not know yet if he is simply curious or if there is more that meets the eye. It could have something to do with a legal issue that will present itself in the debates if he gets that far...he's a brilliant lawyer so ....
I like Bobby Kennedy. Do I agree with him on everything? Definitely do not. However, he won't win the selection. Surely no one believes in the illusion of honest elections. Mark Twain nailed it: "If elections mattered, they wouldn't let us do it."
Regardless, there will be debates and Bobby is a persuasive speaker, and he will probably wake up some people. And there's a lot of people out there asleep at the wheel. Perhaps some if them will question the lies they have heard for decades.
When someone is doing good work, don't kick them to the curb. After all, there is no Santa Claus and no one person is going to save us or the country. I'm unsure if it's even worth saving. And definitely not as it is currently. We must save ourselves.
I hope there will be debates. I think that is the only positive aspect of him running as a Democrat because people actually watch the debates and the structure is fairly equitable, especially if there aren't alot of candidates. Bobby would be able to speak directly to the population without the obfuscation of the media. I would hope that he would choose his words very carefully and not fall into the trap of defending the military and our precious "democracy" or our criminal actions around the planet. He doesn't need to do that; he just needs to speak the truth. He will certainly never be president and I don't think he would want to be.
Unfortunately, I've read recently that the DNC has no intention of holding debates this election cycle.
We ignore red flags at our peril. The fact that RFK Jr. is running as a Democrat is one, and a disappointment, along with his comments about Ukr. and CIA.
Thomas Sheridan just covered that too and said his gay friend predicted these dangerous fuckers a few yrs ago. In hindsight the writing was on the wall with the vicious attacks on Rowling and how so many in the community (which i hear is not a community) wont distance themselves from violent threats.
Glenn Greenwald did a show about 3 days ago explaining how he and his team have been trying to hire a law firm in Tennessee to try to get the manifesto of the Nashville shooter. The law firms would agree at first but would later decline. My husband said the lawyers probably don’t want to get raided by the fbi at 4am like what happened to the radical left black activists.
The dramatic increase in threats, violence, riots, and looting seems to be done with the blessing and encouragement of politicians and elites, especially in democrat-run cities. It seems the violence (based on the videos I have seen) is mostly coming from groups we are not allowed to criticize lest we be called racist, homophobes, transphobes, etc.
Example: I’m a Hispanic woman and when I criticized the looting of a gas station by a mostly Hispanic mob, I was called a right-wing racist. When I say I am against the sexualization of children, I’m called a right-wing bigot. When I commented on how quickly Biden started bombing Syria but yet couldn’t figure out the stimulus check fiasco, I was called a Trumper. When I questioned the whole covid narrative and refused the jabbywockie, I was called a conspiracy theorist.
The crazy criminals are running the show (insert Kamala’s cackling laugh here) with a lot of support from the virtue-signalers. Makes me wonder if they’re under some mkultra spell.
I see issues with rfk but I think he's doing that squeaky clean diplomatic crap in order to appeal to mainstream Democrats that are still pro war. His point about the war not being humanitarian was valid to those morons that think it's cool to fight humanitarian wars.
The people are still looking to hear what they want to hear and rfk is good at appeasing that.
His speech in Boston was top notch though.
We can't defeat the corruption if we keep seeing each other as enemies.
End the continuous war at home, and then we can end the push for war out there.
Hiya. Where did he put Robert McNamara? Did he appoint him to somethin? When was his son in Ukraine?Sorry...I didnt listen to his recent speech or interview.
I think we need to stay in the present. I do not think RFK Jr is evil so he is not the lesser of evils. He is a Kennedy. And I think he is very intelligent and well versed in the law. I feel like our best chance is with him and the strength of the Kennedy support structure that surrounds him. Besides Cheryl has major connections in Hollywood to billionaires. Perhaps they can fight fire with fire. It's kind of interesting, isn't it? Or is it just a waste of time?
you think the wokesters in Hollywood will support Kennedy? They also hate him. They are all members of the Council of Foreign Relations and pro-covid fascism 100% almost.
His wife isn't. Larry David isn't Jerry Seinfeld isn't. I think there is a very LARGE schism in that world and I think we are about to see the financial reality of it...just a guess
We always say forget about the past when the past makes us uncomfortable. Most of the Kennedy have denounced him including his own sister. I never ever said he was evil, the system is evil, it’s a catch 22, if he isn’t evil he will be crushed.
Many in his family are woke, and their friends are woke. Easier to publicly denounce your brother than end up friendless. After all, the woke only care about what others think about them. I hope that the crushing doesn't end up as a funeral. I certainly don't think he will win the nomination (selection).
You are right that the younger K's lean in the woke direction but the Kennedy clan is very very strong...this is what I find the most fascinating aspect of all this....a very interesting that Kennedys love the spotlight and political life and that is almost ALL of them...just saying...I am by nature a dramatist and just love last minute surprises and since this is actually ALL a script...it's very compelling to see how it unfolds in all of the acts on the stage.
I think that's an extreme statement with the use of the word DENOUNCE. Please prove that with an I Caroline Kennedy DENOUNCE Robert. They disagree with him and of course they are terrified of the deep state. The deep state aka the CIA murdered her father. I would be terrified as well. In fact, aren't you? In his speech RFK Jr reminded everyone that his family sends their love. Why not focus on that? LOVE is much stronger than any other force in the universe. If you don't know that, you might want to look into that notion.
Well he spoke in Boston and stated very clearly that while there are great differences among his family, they love him, contacted him and discussed their differences and are actually supportive of HIM if not his specific political and big Pharma differences.
No the Kennedy's do NOT sever their ties. They are one of the last true political families in the US. Given they have EACH been traumatized by loss maybe they don't feel like climbing onto the despicable Democratic Party Crazy Train just yet.
Definitely not the lessor of two evils. He's human and faillable, but he's a decent man that has made some mistakes. I don't think it's a waste of time, and certainly adds heaps of interest. I might actually become interested in politics again, but I hold no delusions for the future. Our government and too many of our citizens are corrupt to the core.
What does everyone think about RFKjr totally dissing USA Media in his speech? I was thrilled to see that the audience did not hesitate to uproariously agree! And even Lyin' Biden cannot accuse them of wearing MAGA hats!
Cindy, I'm not being a Grammar Nanny here, but I've re-read this excerpt from your post several times:
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As I have mentioned before, I found RFK Jr’s book, The Real Anthony Fauci very helpful and interesting in tracing Dr. Falsie’s contributions to the ever sickening state of American society. However, I found it super-troubling that he would put ABSOLUTE MONSTERS like Robert McNamara, the war criminal, ass-hole (that went to be president of the World Bank after his stint as SecDef 1961-1968). From WWII to the cluster-fudge known as Vietnam, McNamara had his bloody hands in all of it. If you haven’t seen it, I recommend Errol Morris’ great documentary, The Fog of War, which is about, and starring, the ghoul McNamara.
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The sentence beginning "However, I found it..." confuses me. What did he (RFK Jr., I assume) "put" McNamara into? Unless I'm missing something obvious due to "overthinking", which happens to me fairly often, it reads as if you were starting to make a point and wandered off, distracted perhaps by contemplating the odious McNamara.
Maybe it's me, since no one else seems to have noticed. Could you clarify? Thanks. 🤔
I just saw that video, and a talk about these highly charged, emotional, and contentious issues from my friend and fellow Pacifica Broadcaster, Sarah Messenger. She has a history in the LGBT and Women's movement, that goes back decades. I'm not going to "out" her here... But it was a very good talk, and a great program, led by Robert Babish, at the UnUrban Coffee House, in Santa Monica...not too far from where you spoke, at the CHD meeting, several months back.
IMO....Kennedy's have never ever been left. In fact, had JFK lived in our time, he certainly would have been a Republican. Kennedy's are not revolutionaries, socialists, or communists and will never lean in that direction. They are establishment. But frankly, we ain't going to have a revolution of the true left or be run by Communists in this country. EVER. You know that correct? I think you are fighting for a country you want that is another country. This is a capitalist nation that if you grew up in the 50's like I did and not the 60's, you would have felt deeply was all about American strength, innovation and power that made us the envy of the world. It was CAPITALISM that did that. So what has gone wrong? Greed, arrogance and laws that protect the wealthy. Billionaires and the merger of state and industry... In other words, we have lost the checks and balances that kept us sane. The best one can do in the USA is REFORM it. That is what RFK Jr. - the son of a man he saw being killed - a lawyer - a believer in public health is all about. REFORM. He is not a revolutionary. He is not wanting to take down the entire structure. And right now given all the other sell outs who are running the show, he looks to me like a decent human being with old fashioned values from the past who would be a lot better in some ways than the nincompoops tripping over their own feet. That's what makes him a Kennedy.
Bobby makes no bones about the CIA being responsible for the deaths of his uncle and father. Perhaps he can do better at convincing the public that the Deep State IS evil and in control. Surely better than the awkward attempts by Trump.
Did you listen to his speech? He said they were not evil. But I only listened to his words
I did listen to part of the speech, but he's couching his words and not being completely honest to his true feelings. However, I tend to watch what people DO, and ignore much of what they say. He's been doing amazing things with Children's Health Defense, and his book exposed Fauci and his minions. I can overlook political speeches, as no one is perfect. I think he's completely wrong about Ukraine; perhaps just doesn't know what a cesspool it is, or he's dancing around the facts. Regardless, let's hope he brings some interesting things to the nasty table of politics.
Cindy, Bobby is trying to create an upbeat message. Also here is Kunstler's link and take at end of my text. I think you might gain something from reading it. Kunstler makes his points better than I ever could. We need a mythology, Cindy. Americans desire a mythic figure. That is why Hollywood celebrities are placed on pedestals. We are not a socialist/communist country AND NEVER WILL BE at least not in our lifetime. We are in essence a British colony with colonial leaders who COLONIZE other countries. We are a CLASS society like the British....we may have gotten pissy in the Revolutionary War because we wanted to break away from mommy and daddy but we ended up becoming a much bigger exploitative empire than England. BECAUSE THAT IS WHO WE ARE. You still have not addressed this argument. People from WW2 like my mom and dad used to call dissenters TRAITORS. And in a sense dissenters are because they are not dealing with the fundamental reality that WE ARE A COLONIZING SUPER POWER because we CHOSE to be from the get go....I do not think that will change unless the majority of people living here DECIDE to get rid of the constitutional form of government we have and start reading Lenin...they do not even teach him in college history classes for the most part. The Communist Party in this country is a JOKE. Aging limping men waving the Marxist doctrine and no one listening and that's in BERKELEY and was actually 30 years ago when I moved here. Kunstler's article: https://open.substack.com/pub/merylnass/p/bobby-steps-up-by-james-howard-kunstler?r=rfhr&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
Thanks for sharing that post. RFK, Jr. makes Biden look like a doddering fool, Hillary like a screaming banshee, and Trump like the court jester. I don't think it will happen, but it would be nice to have a President that looks like an intelligent statesman.
I think Eisenhower and Kennedy were the epitome of modern moderate American Constitutional Presidents FOR THE PEOPLE. Maybe this is why they respected each other?
Eisenhower was also a war criminal. A moderate war criminal?
Specifically which war crime? President Eisenhower ended the Korean War very early in his presidency.
You'll have to understand I think 100% of US presidents are war criminals and should have been tried and held accountable, but none of them were.
Surely not 100%. Many presidents served when there were no wars. We haven't always had perpetual war.
There was that 26 years.....I have searched history and can't find one. It's my understanding that native genocide happened all the way up to the 1900's....so, there's those war crimes, now name a president from say, Wilson, that wasn't a war criminal. Probably the least bad one was Harding who released Eugene Debs, but he was only president for 2 years. Some were worse than others, but I can't real rate murder from bad to worse, myself.
So many----he was a general in the US Army
Here is one article:
https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/98/11/22/specials/ambrose-atrocities.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
Cindy, not sure why WW2 is a war that wasn't necessary? Hitler and the Reich was destroying countries and people. Are you saying you would have refused to be in military service if you had lived then? Or are you suggesting WW2 could have been prevented had the US been involved sooner? Or is this about Pearl Harbor? I guess I want to know why Eisenhower was a war criminal? And also why Kennedy was as well?
When did I ever say that WW2 wasn't necessary, but WW1 wasn't necessary, and there never would have been a Hitler if there wasn't a WWI. Ford, Harriman, Bush, Rockerfeller, etc ALL supported Hitler and with their help he was elected Chancellor--then they sold stuff to him. All of the Nazi jeeps were Ford. Read War is a Racket if you haven't. Nothing has changed. WW2 was another banker's war and the US didn't give a fuck about the Jews and others in concentration camps. Stalin and the USSR were the first to liberate those. I would have fought against Hitler if I lived in the USSR. I would have fought with the Republicans in Spain and Ireland. I would fight against any evil with the people of any country. I won't fight/die in banker's wars and just so sorry I wasn't this well informed when Casey was killed. Did I say JFK was a war criminal???? You made a lot of assumptions and put a lot of words in my mouth there. Nothing I saw on this thread is going to disabuse anyone of their mythic understanding of US history. I hope everyone has a great weekend. Peace, out.
Yes, I've heard and read this decades after he supposedly did this (on his own?) and they all lead back to one book written in the late 1980s. I would have to see historically credible sources, not someone who is selling their book. Every account I have read about German prisoners of war is that they were treated fabulously by Americans in comparison to how they were treated by their own leaders. My Dad worked in NY airport during the 1950s with a German WWII Veteran who was Hitler's airplane mechanic
I give, he was a great person.
I think we are all smart and have a lot of different info and paths we have been on.
I found much ambiguity in that article. The truth often sifts through our hands like sand, and our own biases color what we see and think.
Well the Assassination of Patrice Lumumba was signed-off upon, during Eisenhower's Presidency. That's one, at least. I'm fairly certain that a bunch of Operation GLADIO took place on his watch, too.
He and Kennedy seem quaint by today's standards for Warcrimes with impugnity ... But it's doubtless that they were both involved.
Good point. I tend to agree. They certainly were not corporate fascists. The Kennedy's believed in democratic rule.
I knew that my Dad as a Union-member bluecollar Democrat liked Ike. I have only learned why much later as a middle-aged adult
It's amazing to me that his children turned out so well, because Joe Kennedy was the scourge of the earth. I've heard he even liked Hitler. It's difficult to know the truth, but there's plenty of smoke.
A lot of folks were and are anti Semitic re Hitler's destruction. They deny the Holocaust and say it was exaggerated still to this day...Joe Kennedy senior was a brutal authoritarian. One thing people forget is that Irish immigrants in the Boston area were considered less than monkeys...same as Italians...so the stance of machismo and bullying was partly to survive the onslaught of Brahminism in Boston society. Different times.
Joe Kennedy was a Rum-Runner, in bed with La Cosa Nostra, going back to the Prohibition era, at least - which explains how he made deals with Mobsters, to help get JFK votes in Chicago. To betray your business partners, like Sam Giancana and Thomas Marcello - you first have to make deals with them.
I think Joe Kennedy was a tyrant because the Irish were treated like shit
I heard a lot of anti-IrishAmerican stories from Dad via his father in NY who was intensely involved with the early labor union movement during the times of "Irish need not apply" and "the Irish are n-word turned inside out"
Imho, the totalitarian Globalists have intentionally mis-labelled Medical Freedom as a movement of "the right" in order to distract from their own medical tyranny within the Great Reset.
The Nazis were nefariously deft at this too
Yes, of course. I am proof it’s not a conservative position
I am proof it's not a "left" or "right" political position.
Me too. I saw the current Medical Freedom movement begin in 2015 California state politics with the passing of Democrat-sponsored SB 277 which essentially destroyed CA parental rights regarding vaccination. A LOT of CA Democrat parents switched to Republican in California at that time, some even moved out of the state altogether. That might be "the roots" of "the right" Medical Freedom movement?
I wouldn't know Kathy.
I live in Trudeau's tyrannical Canuckistan. 😉
Oh I am so sorry about this. So called "leftists" like Trudeau have become so traitorous too! They are bought and hijacked by WEF
That's a fact ma'am.
The Nazis blamed the problems of Germany on Communists, Jews, "the Left: "Jewish Bolshevism", etc
They were supported and aided by large swaths of US Capitalists in the 30's and more covertly after the US entered the war (Second Imperialist War) aided and abetted by Wall Street elites like the Dulles brothers. All this has been amply written about by honest historians.
They all shared a terror of the USSR as setting an alternative economic/social model (even in its acute Stalinist phase). That was their great fear. The overthrow of Capitalism which was a real possibility post-1929 crash. Then as now they support fascist forces, presently most glaringly in Ukraine.
And so, apparently, does RFK Jr.
There's not much difference in outcomes from Fascism or Communism. Both are totalitarians, and in complete opposition to freedom and liberty. As Kennedy has spoken eloquently about the collusion between government and big corporations, I would never consider him to be a fascist. His past and present actions do not align with that ideology.
Nancy:
I do not say Kennedy is a "fascist" by any stretch.
One thing which did impress me about his speech is that he could speak more or less extemporaneously and mostly cogently for 2 hours. There is no other candidate for Pres of the US in my lifetime who could match it.
His defenses of nature -- and how it is being degraded -- was sincere and moving.
He also mentioned that democracy and civil liberties were incompatible with the vast wealth gulf which exists in the US. Bingo. He knows the science of climate destabilization quite well also. Yes, it is real AND is being used by the powers-that-should-not-be to further a totalitarian agenda. The single most egregious polluter on the planet is the US War Machine not us driving around in our gas guzzling autos.
Fascism historically understood is in essence a reaction to the Socialism which was embodied in that era by the USSR in the eyes of the capitalist rulers. It provided an alternate path which scared the big industrialists since it threatened their ill gotten gains at the expense of the working class.
The descent of the USSR into a Stalinist authoritarian bureaucracy is a related discussion but I do not intend to hijack this comment stream to pursue it. ;-)
More than likely you are correct, Cindy. BUT.....this is an unusual turn of events with RFK Jr and methinks there is something driving him that goes beyond politics ...I do not know yet if he is simply curious or if there is more that meets the eye. It could have something to do with a legal issue that will present itself in the debates if he gets that far...he's a brilliant lawyer so ....
I like Bobby Kennedy. Do I agree with him on everything? Definitely do not. However, he won't win the selection. Surely no one believes in the illusion of honest elections. Mark Twain nailed it: "If elections mattered, they wouldn't let us do it."
Regardless, there will be debates and Bobby is a persuasive speaker, and he will probably wake up some people. And there's a lot of people out there asleep at the wheel. Perhaps some if them will question the lies they have heard for decades.
When someone is doing good work, don't kick them to the curb. After all, there is no Santa Claus and no one person is going to save us or the country. I'm unsure if it's even worth saving. And definitely not as it is currently. We must save ourselves.
I hope there will be debates. I think that is the only positive aspect of him running as a Democrat because people actually watch the debates and the structure is fairly equitable, especially if there aren't alot of candidates. Bobby would be able to speak directly to the population without the obfuscation of the media. I would hope that he would choose his words very carefully and not fall into the trap of defending the military and our precious "democracy" or our criminal actions around the planet. He doesn't need to do that; he just needs to speak the truth. He will certainly never be president and I don't think he would want to be.
Unfortunately, I've read recently that the DNC has no intention of holding debates this election cycle.
We ignore red flags at our peril. The fact that RFK Jr. is running as a Democrat is one, and a disappointment, along with his comments about Ukr. and CIA.
Thanks
Would you judge him differently if he ran as a Republican? Or something else?
The poor man so afraid of women's sex based rights that he is calling for them to be killed if they stand in his way.
finally, someone mentions the 2nd piece which I found more appalling.
Thomas Sheridan just covered that too and said his gay friend predicted these dangerous fuckers a few yrs ago. In hindsight the writing was on the wall with the vicious attacks on Rowling and how so many in the community (which i hear is not a community) wont distance themselves from violent threats.
I agree.
Science fictional!
Glenn Greenwald did a show about 3 days ago explaining how he and his team have been trying to hire a law firm in Tennessee to try to get the manifesto of the Nashville shooter. The law firms would agree at first but would later decline. My husband said the lawyers probably don’t want to get raided by the fbi at 4am like what happened to the radical left black activists.
The dramatic increase in threats, violence, riots, and looting seems to be done with the blessing and encouragement of politicians and elites, especially in democrat-run cities. It seems the violence (based on the videos I have seen) is mostly coming from groups we are not allowed to criticize lest we be called racist, homophobes, transphobes, etc.
Example: I’m a Hispanic woman and when I criticized the looting of a gas station by a mostly Hispanic mob, I was called a right-wing racist. When I say I am against the sexualization of children, I’m called a right-wing bigot. When I commented on how quickly Biden started bombing Syria but yet couldn’t figure out the stimulus check fiasco, I was called a Trumper. When I questioned the whole covid narrative and refused the jabbywockie, I was called a conspiracy theorist.
The crazy criminals are running the show (insert Kamala’s cackling laugh here) with a lot of support from the virtue-signalers. Makes me wonder if they’re under some mkultra spell.
I see issues with rfk but I think he's doing that squeaky clean diplomatic crap in order to appeal to mainstream Democrats that are still pro war. His point about the war not being humanitarian was valid to those morons that think it's cool to fight humanitarian wars.
The people are still looking to hear what they want to hear and rfk is good at appeasing that.
His speech in Boston was top notch though.
We can't defeat the corruption if we keep seeing each other as enemies.
End the continuous war at home, and then we can end the push for war out there.
Hiya. Where did he put Robert McNamara? Did he appoint him to somethin? When was his son in Ukraine?Sorry...I didnt listen to his recent speech or interview.
Robert McNamara was SecDef from 1961 to 1968, then he went to the world bank as president, he is dead now, but was a very bad person.
Ewww world bank. Ok. So JFK was associated with him not RFK Jr. I get ya now. Thanks.
I think we need to stay in the present. I do not think RFK Jr is evil so he is not the lesser of evils. He is a Kennedy. And I think he is very intelligent and well versed in the law. I feel like our best chance is with him and the strength of the Kennedy support structure that surrounds him. Besides Cheryl has major connections in Hollywood to billionaires. Perhaps they can fight fire with fire. It's kind of interesting, isn't it? Or is it just a waste of time?
you think the wokesters in Hollywood will support Kennedy? They also hate him. They are all members of the Council of Foreign Relations and pro-covid fascism 100% almost.
His wife isn't. Larry David isn't Jerry Seinfeld isn't. I think there is a very LARGE schism in that world and I think we are about to see the financial reality of it...just a guess
Hollywood today is the new Mccarthyism.
Hopefully A-listers that you mention will speak up
We always say forget about the past when the past makes us uncomfortable. Most of the Kennedy have denounced him including his own sister. I never ever said he was evil, the system is evil, it’s a catch 22, if he isn’t evil he will be crushed.
Many in his family are woke, and their friends are woke. Easier to publicly denounce your brother than end up friendless. After all, the woke only care about what others think about them. I hope that the crushing doesn't end up as a funeral. I certainly don't think he will win the nomination (selection).
You are right that the younger K's lean in the woke direction but the Kennedy clan is very very strong...this is what I find the most fascinating aspect of all this....a very interesting that Kennedys love the spotlight and political life and that is almost ALL of them...just saying...I am by nature a dramatist and just love last minute surprises and since this is actually ALL a script...it's very compelling to see how it unfolds in all of the acts on the stage.
Most of his siblings have denounced him, as has Caroline Kennedy. It's horrifying--maybe they're all scared shitless of the deep state.
I think that's an extreme statement with the use of the word DENOUNCE. Please prove that with an I Caroline Kennedy DENOUNCE Robert. They disagree with him and of course they are terrified of the deep state. The deep state aka the CIA murdered her father. I would be terrified as well. In fact, aren't you? In his speech RFK Jr reminded everyone that his family sends their love. Why not focus on that? LOVE is much stronger than any other force in the universe. If you don't know that, you might want to look into that notion.
Well he spoke in Boston and stated very clearly that while there are great differences among his family, they love him, contacted him and discussed their differences and are actually supportive of HIM if not his specific political and big Pharma differences.
I was wondering if they were estranged or not
Oh thats sad. I wonder if him and his family have severed and are estranged.
No the Kennedy's do NOT sever their ties. They are one of the last true political families in the US. Given they have EACH been traumatized by loss maybe they don't feel like climbing onto the despicable Democratic Party Crazy Train just yet.
Definitely not the lessor of two evils. He's human and faillable, but he's a decent man that has made some mistakes. I don't think it's a waste of time, and certainly adds heaps of interest. I might actually become interested in politics again, but I hold no delusions for the future. Our government and too many of our citizens are corrupt to the core.
What does everyone think about RFKjr totally dissing USA Media in his speech? I was thrilled to see that the audience did not hesitate to uproariously agree! And even Lyin' Biden cannot accuse them of wearing MAGA hats!
So, who do you support that agrees with you on everything? The pursuit of perfection is neurotic although the striving for excellence is noble.
Cindy, I'm not being a Grammar Nanny here, but I've re-read this excerpt from your post several times:
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As I have mentioned before, I found RFK Jr’s book, The Real Anthony Fauci very helpful and interesting in tracing Dr. Falsie’s contributions to the ever sickening state of American society. However, I found it super-troubling that he would put ABSOLUTE MONSTERS like Robert McNamara, the war criminal, ass-hole (that went to be president of the World Bank after his stint as SecDef 1961-1968). From WWII to the cluster-fudge known as Vietnam, McNamara had his bloody hands in all of it. If you haven’t seen it, I recommend Errol Morris’ great documentary, The Fog of War, which is about, and starring, the ghoul McNamara.
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The sentence beginning "However, I found it..." confuses me. What did he (RFK Jr., I assume) "put" McNamara into? Unless I'm missing something obvious due to "overthinking", which happens to me fairly often, it reads as if you were starting to make a point and wandered off, distracted perhaps by contemplating the odious McNamara.
Maybe it's me, since no one else seems to have noticed. Could you clarify? Thanks. 🤔
https://open.substack.com/pub/markcrispinmiller/p/robert-f-kennedy-jrs-speech-last?r=rfhr&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
You are NOT ALONE. It's the World that's gone crazy. Not us. https://jbilek.substack.com/p/who-is-behind-the-trans-agenda
I just saw that video, and a talk about these highly charged, emotional, and contentious issues from my friend and fellow Pacifica Broadcaster, Sarah Messenger. She has a history in the LGBT and Women's movement, that goes back decades. I'm not going to "out" her here... But it was a very good talk, and a great program, led by Robert Babish, at the UnUrban Coffee House, in Santa Monica...not too far from where you spoke, at the CHD meeting, several months back.