This is about a subject where not everyone wants to go, but to me, the world around us is as mirror of our inner being. In this piece, I tell about how I joined and also left a peace organization. https://susannelindberg.substack.com/p/scene-iii-cruelty.
Words still fail, horrors still unfurl. Last night, Israeli airstrikes killed over 400 Palestinians. The dead now total over 5,000, likely many more; almost half are children. And unless fuel and other supplies can soon get into Gaza, of 130 premature babies in six neo-natal units, “All will die.” The victims in Gaza are doctors, students, journalists, 26 members of one family aged 75 to two, many, many children, now perhaps many babies. None of them are Hamas.
Still, the grotesque body count soars and widespread calls for a ceasefire go ignored, in part thanks to a mainstream media that has long dehumanized Palestinians: “Our grief is negligible; our rage is unwarranted. Our death is so quotidian journalists report it as though they’re reporting the weather. Cloudy skies, light showers, 3,000 Palestinians dead.”
Sheelilly mentions that TDS caused a lot of people to join movements that seemed ideological but were really just part of DNC. It's always been that way. I joined the peace movement in 1968 because the media wanted us to oppose Nixon. I didn't understand the real motive until we were ordered to campaign for a local Dem politician who was openly pro-war. It wasn't about peace, it was about defeating Nixon. Trump creates the same level of primal cult love and cult hate, and he uses it to advantage just as Nixon did. It's all stagecraft.
Peace movements will always fail because no organized and famous movement for any purpose can succeed without media and party approval. If a movement isn't serving the party, it gets defunded and scandalized.
A lot of this is about tribalism as demonstrated by Trump Derangement Syndrome on the part of middle class Democrats who proliferate in academia as well. This was a morphing from the Russia-Gate nonsense. Which transformed into the COVID panic, endorsement of quackccine mandates, et al..
What is missing is class consciousness and a powerful working class movement behind it the potential for which mostly collapsed with COVID delusion on the part of what remains of the Left.
After reading the Whitney Webb article mentioned here it seems likely that those who were solely for Women's Rights without having a broader anti-imperialist perspective became those who "cancelled" individuals like Cindy (and myself) due to a challenge to the nonsensical and anti-scientific COVID narrative.
I know why the peace movement fails. It’s because you never had men leading the movement.
I’m hopeful things are different now that men are learning that we are fighting and dying not for our families and traditions, but for the globalist hegemony.
I love you Cindy, and I love other women who are fighting for peace.
But I have tell you, as a man, hearing women with bull horns yelling for peace is torture.
Recruit some smart, traditional, freedom loving men to lead the charge for peace and more men will listen.
LOL, okay. We had tons of men out there and involved. And on our organizing committee.
Also, in case you don't know, there are MANY women in combat now, as well. Unfortunately, about 90% of them get either raped, sexually assaulted, or at the very least, sexually harassed by THEIR FELLOW SOLDIERS.
Don't you think women pay the price for these bullshit wars all over the world?
Wow, okay, but maybe we don’t want to turn you on and maybe there are a lot of people who don’t like men with bullhorns? Like the authoritarians. You absolutely do not sound like you are on my side. Women should be seen and not heard? Sounds like a Pearly Thing
How about answering me what if people don't like hearing male voices on bullhorns?
I think you have a preference that sounds like an Albert problem, which is fine. I actually hate the sound of RFK's voice on anything---it makes me super anxious.
So, to me, I wouldn't say, "We cannot have women on bullhorns because Albert doesn't like it"
It wasn't until I began my State Worker career in 1981 (age 26) with the Pennsylvania Unemployment Compensation agency that I discovered that some older male workers resented female supervisors on "principle". I was completely unaware that this was a "thing".
It was an unfortunate attitude, because by the 1980s there were a lot of women in management-- at least lower/middle management; apparently the male co-workers who "hated working under a woman" longed for the halcyon era when management was overwhelmingly composed of aging World War II (white male) veterans.
I recently discovered the term "gynophobia", which is different from "misogyny" in that it denotes more of a fear of, or aversion to, women rather than seething animus or hostility toward women. I find this term helpful-- more of a nuance than a distinction without a difference.
But I can't think of a strategy to attract and retain misogynists or gynophobes in a peace movement, except to hope that spontaneous, unforced diversity results in men, er, manning the bullhorns once in a while. (This also applies, mutatis mutandis, to androphobes and misandrists.)
Possibly I never experienced a strong aversion to "working under a woman" because I'm a natural-born equal-opportunity anti-authoritarian.
Hmm... a closing non sequitur. Why is Scott Ritter coming to mind? 🤔
Noncombatants (largely women, children and elders) account for 80% of deaths in war. Read that out loud Albert. 80%! Men will NOT leave the armed forces in numbers sufficient to end war. No way- for a multitude of reasons.
I am baffled by your 'women and bullhorns' remarks. That alone is reason enough not to be involved in opposing war and the preparations for war?
Can you explain the 'you're literally getting conservative men moving toward your cause' remark? I am unclear as to your point there. Help me out, Albert. What is really the gist of your comments?
Men won't listen. Did they listen to the many men like veterans for peace? Nope.
Why not? Because the mainstream is pro war.
Same with COVID... Many doctors stood up to the lockdowns and shots and still were ignored.
Doesn't matter who protests if the masses are still propagandized.
But it seems to be changing with this Israel disaster because now the left, which was cancelling, became cancelled in their support of Gaza.
It's a good thing when the system flip flops because people start to notice the absurdity and that gives them a clue to see that there's something pulling the strings behind the scenes.
This is about a subject where not everyone wants to go, but to me, the world around us is as mirror of our inner being. In this piece, I tell about how I joined and also left a peace organization. https://susannelindberg.substack.com/p/scene-iii-cruelty.
Without this group of people, there would absolutely be no wars. https://susannelindberg.substack.com/p/scene-iii-psychopaths
A day in history, and how much the world has been colonized in those 60 fucking months.
Thanks.
And great piece by Webb.
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Monsters:
https://rumble.com/v3q8dqs-october-18-2023.html
Words still fail, horrors still unfurl. Last night, Israeli airstrikes killed over 400 Palestinians. The dead now total over 5,000, likely many more; almost half are children. And unless fuel and other supplies can soon get into Gaza, of 130 premature babies in six neo-natal units, “All will die.” The victims in Gaza are doctors, students, journalists, 26 members of one family aged 75 to two, many, many children, now perhaps many babies. None of them are Hamas.
Still, the grotesque body count soars and widespread calls for a ceasefire go ignored, in part thanks to a mainstream media that has long dehumanized Palestinians: “Our grief is negligible; our rage is unwarranted. Our death is so quotidian journalists report it as though they’re reporting the weather. Cloudy skies, light showers, 3,000 Palestinians dead.”
https://znetwork.org/znetarticle/what-crimes-have-these-babies-committed/
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Psychopathic monsters:
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israel-furious-elderly-captive-spoke-humane-treatment-hamas
Sheelilly mentions that TDS caused a lot of people to join movements that seemed ideological but were really just part of DNC. It's always been that way. I joined the peace movement in 1968 because the media wanted us to oppose Nixon. I didn't understand the real motive until we were ordered to campaign for a local Dem politician who was openly pro-war. It wasn't about peace, it was about defeating Nixon. Trump creates the same level of primal cult love and cult hate, and he uses it to advantage just as Nixon did. It's all stagecraft.
Peace movements will always fail because no organized and famous movement for any purpose can succeed without media and party approval. If a movement isn't serving the party, it gets defunded and scandalized.
A lot of this is about tribalism as demonstrated by Trump Derangement Syndrome on the part of middle class Democrats who proliferate in academia as well. This was a morphing from the Russia-Gate nonsense. Which transformed into the COVID panic, endorsement of quackccine mandates, et al..
What is missing is class consciousness and a powerful working class movement behind it the potential for which mostly collapsed with COVID delusion on the part of what remains of the Left.
After reading the Whitney Webb article mentioned here it seems likely that those who were solely for Women's Rights without having a broader anti-imperialist perspective became those who "cancelled" individuals like Cindy (and myself) due to a challenge to the nonsensical and anti-scientific COVID narrative.
Just a hunch on my part.
Thank you for keeping up the good fight, and never ceasing.
I know why the peace movement fails. It’s because you never had men leading the movement.
I’m hopeful things are different now that men are learning that we are fighting and dying not for our families and traditions, but for the globalist hegemony.
I love you Cindy, and I love other women who are fighting for peace.
But I have tell you, as a man, hearing women with bull horns yelling for peace is torture.
Recruit some smart, traditional, freedom loving men to lead the charge for peace and more men will listen.
LOL, okay. We had tons of men out there and involved. And on our organizing committee.
Also, in case you don't know, there are MANY women in combat now, as well. Unfortunately, about 90% of them get either raped, sexually assaulted, or at the very least, sexually harassed by THEIR FELLOW SOLDIERS.
Don't you think women pay the price for these bullshit wars all over the world?
You made quite a bold statement there, Albert.
Everyone who fights pays.
However if every woman in the armed forces left, we’d still be fighting and killing.
If every man left the armed forces left, the fighting would end.
I’m on your side and I have a totally different perspective.
Your literally getting conservative men moving toward your cause. But I’m telling you, women with bull horns is a major turn off for people like me.
Wow, okay, but maybe we don’t want to turn you on and maybe there are a lot of people who don’t like men with bullhorns? Like the authoritarians. You absolutely do not sound like you are on my side. Women should be seen and not heard? Sounds like a Pearly Thing
Oh well. I tried. Keep on keeping on!
You tried being a misogynist with me?
How about answering me what if people don't like hearing male voices on bullhorns?
I think you have a preference that sounds like an Albert problem, which is fine. I actually hate the sound of RFK's voice on anything---it makes me super anxious.
So, to me, I wouldn't say, "We cannot have women on bullhorns because Albert doesn't like it"
You, do you.
It wasn't until I began my State Worker career in 1981 (age 26) with the Pennsylvania Unemployment Compensation agency that I discovered that some older male workers resented female supervisors on "principle". I was completely unaware that this was a "thing".
It was an unfortunate attitude, because by the 1980s there were a lot of women in management-- at least lower/middle management; apparently the male co-workers who "hated working under a woman" longed for the halcyon era when management was overwhelmingly composed of aging World War II (white male) veterans.
I recently discovered the term "gynophobia", which is different from "misogyny" in that it denotes more of a fear of, or aversion to, women rather than seething animus or hostility toward women. I find this term helpful-- more of a nuance than a distinction without a difference.
But I can't think of a strategy to attract and retain misogynists or gynophobes in a peace movement, except to hope that spontaneous, unforced diversity results in men, er, manning the bullhorns once in a while. (This also applies, mutatis mutandis, to androphobes and misandrists.)
Possibly I never experienced a strong aversion to "working under a woman" because I'm a natural-born equal-opportunity anti-authoritarian.
Hmm... a closing non sequitur. Why is Scott Ritter coming to mind? 🤔
I tried to give a different perspective.
I’m grateful you admitted that men’s voices can cause you anxiety.
Perhaps you and I have more in common than not.
Noncombatants (largely women, children and elders) account for 80% of deaths in war. Read that out loud Albert. 80%! Men will NOT leave the armed forces in numbers sufficient to end war. No way- for a multitude of reasons.
I am baffled by your 'women and bullhorns' remarks. That alone is reason enough not to be involved in opposing war and the preparations for war?
Can you explain the 'you're literally getting conservative men moving toward your cause' remark? I am unclear as to your point there. Help me out, Albert. What is really the gist of your comments?
Men won't listen. Did they listen to the many men like veterans for peace? Nope.
Why not? Because the mainstream is pro war.
Same with COVID... Many doctors stood up to the lockdowns and shots and still were ignored.
Doesn't matter who protests if the masses are still propagandized.
But it seems to be changing with this Israel disaster because now the left, which was cancelling, became cancelled in their support of Gaza.
It's a good thing when the system flip flops because people start to notice the absurdity and that gives them a clue to see that there's something pulling the strings behind the scenes.
What?
Thanks for your perspective