Soapbox: Spicy Convo About RFK
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Sep 13 • 57M
Soapbox: Spicy Convo About RFK
with our friend Don DeBar
Appears in this episode
Cindy Sheehan
Anti-Cap; Anti-war; Anti-Empire
Cindy Sheehan's Soapbox has been bringing you alternative truth since 2009.
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In 1920, while serving a 10-year sentence for speaking out against Woodrow Wilson’s WWI, labor organizer Eugene V. Debs ran for president. He received over one-million votes. I’d get off my tushie for the opportunity to vote for someone like Debs.
For this edition of The Soapbox, Cindy welcomes back Soapbox regular Don DeBar.
Don reached out and desired to present a counter-point to the recent Soapbox episode with Sam Husseini:
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Soapbox: Spicy Convo About RFK
Three things that more of the public needs to know:
1. Black box voting machines and scanners have made our elections a SHAM for many many decades. There are other ways our votes are rigged, but this is the major way - see the 2006 documentary Hacking Democracy and read the 1992 book Votescam (still available on eBay and Amazon) by James and Kenneth Collier. Both criminal gangs at the top are totally in on this! We will need to boycott elections so we remove "the consent of the governed", which can make government crumble.
2. Corrupt greedy sociopaths have been doing a massive EMBEZZLING SCAM, enriching themselves with FIAT government money by lying us into wars, doing mass incarceration, pushing vaxes, etc. "Privatization" is the name of this embezzling scam, also called "public-private partnerships", or even just "for profit" entities, whatever cloaking terms the corrupt socipathic money ADDICTS think will dupe us, along with their other lies and con jobs. Fiat government money is a helluva drug, and the corrupt embezzlers are always chasing more "money fixes" instead of doing their duty to us. They are totally unfit to govern. And they are finalizing the electronic prison to squash us, set up with hundreds of embezzling entities so they get even richer under the guise of "helping the climate" while ensuring we can't rise up to stop their corruption, inhumanity and tyranny. Digital IDs, carbon tracking, ESG, social credit,15-minute cities, etc, all the surveillance, tracking and measuring (and control) systems are "privatized".
3. The Declaration of Independence says it is our DUTY to remove government that is abusive, despotic, interferes with our rights or interferes with our pursuit of happiness.
That was a great listen. We need more of this, adult conversation with different perspectives but still with respect.
My input, for what it's worth.
I could see both points of view, personally, I was more in align with Don DeBar. Idealistically more with Cindy but I thought there were contradictions/flaws in your argument.
I too would love a better system, unfortunately, I don't see one on the horizon. But even if there were, wouldn't it still be potentially a victim of the same problems? Hypothetically, Let's say person X drew up the perfect Cindy manifesto, as you have experienced in recent years, it doesn't take much for people you/we thought had the same ideals to discover that this can fracture on one single item. Is RFK's position on Israel not the deal breaker for you?
Person X is inevitably going to have something in his manifesto that could be seen as divisive by some. if not most.
Furthermore, how long before Person x becomes the subject of cynicism, no matter how perfect the track record?
I believe we have to temper our idealism with realism. Perfect is never going to happen, it's a case of getting the best we can. At the moment, it is obvious that "best" might be extremely subjective. Cat turd, dog turd or bird shit. Take your pick.
I maybe either too beaten down, too gullible or both. But I'm hoping that RFK, who is nowhere near perfect, can at least at the very least slow the trajectory in the wrong direction. I do not believe this equates to him being the 'lesser of two evils', I hope he is sincere in what he says. This includes warts and all, I.E. Israel. I believe you stated, "Bobby's Truth", and I think that's what it is. But don't we all have our truths and who among us can't claim to have never got it wrong? I know I can't.
I am also the person alluded to, an Independent that has registered Democrat to vote for RFK in the primary. I by no means feel like I have been lured away from my antiestablishment position. I've done it to show my support, as pointless as that may be (which is a whole other argument) but it does not mean I've cashed in my values or that I'll go soft in the head and be "Oh well, while I'm registered, I might as well vote Joe" after they've almost assuredly screwed RFK.
It seems to me, that we (whatever the hell "we" means nowadays) are all too easily fractured. I had an "interesting" exchange on FB last week with someone who was full of vitriol towards RFK because of his Israel position. I asked, "who better then?". I had to repeat the question several times because all I got back was abuse. I never did get an answer. But it seems to me those of us who agree on most matters have all got to shelve our "hill to die on" matters and unite irrespective. Be it for Person X or the next best option. The alternative is the status quo.