If I were a Palestinian, I don't know if I could ever trust Israel to be a honest neighbor after all the crimes they have committed. What's happening right now is proof that they want the Palestinians GONE. 😔
Thanks Cindy - Your approach is the most fair and honorable, and as you say, in the long run, it's the best way forward. The only alternative is violence and domination of the weak by the strong, and that never ends well. The globalists are behind all this of course, and they thrive on divide-and-conquer.
It does. You're an inspiration to the multitudes of us who care. I'm feeling very hopeless too these days but I have to believe this madness will end soon.😟
I commend Russia and China for sending signals that they are ready, willing, and able to become "part of the solution" to finally end the seemingly-eternal Israel/Palestinian conflict.
BTW, speaking of reconstituting the rogue State of Israel as "Palestine", you probably know that in the years before the state was founded, the Jewish community of European émigrés were originally referred to as "Palestinians"; that usage faded away, in another instance of Orwellian "rewriting history", when it became geopolitically necessary to pretend that "Palestine" never existed.
Unfortunately, Russia at least rhetorically espouses the UN resolutions mandating the "two-state solution". As you point out, Israel's aggressive territorial expansion (its reincarnation of 1930s Germany's policy of "lebensraum") effectively precludes this provisional solution.
Still, if true diplomacy can be brought back from the dead in the Western Hegemony (which I doubt), the obsolescent UN two-state plan may be a viable starting point. I'm certain that if the West/Israel even nominally begins diplomatic discussions on the basis of attempting to create a two-state reformation, Israel will expect its state to retain, say, 95% of its territory and privileges and cram the Palestinians into the worst 5% of the land.
It's amazing, though appalling, that when some crisis focuses public attention on the Israel/Palestine conflict the perceptions and language so closely mimic the attitudes during the so-called Indian Wars of the 19th Century. Lots of moral outrage, collective self-righteousness, and virtue-signaling deploring the scourge of savage barbarians vainly and wickedly attempting to deter and degrade the superior race's March of Civilization. 😡
Russia and China have both made motions, Russia in writing to the UN, China breaking its Cheshire Cat-like silence, and critical of Israel while striking a distinctly pro-Palestinian note, in the last 24 hours to getting the Peace Train rolling. The US is dragging its dug-in heels for Israel, and may get left in the diplomatic dust, again. Mother Nature has spoken, and Israel blames "the weather" for holding up its "ground offensive" into Gaza, which is just a dumb idea in the first place, and would be a lose-lose proposition in any case, whatever the disconnected-from-reality White House thinks or says. Netanyahu's only in it to save his own skin, and I think a lot of Israelis know this.
Both sides have to agree . Israel needs its own country. Palestine as a country must also exist . This dream of each of them having their own homeland where they can feel safe and secure will at this point be very difficult to realize. Sad.
Yes, it has to be their free will and vote. It will take some miraculous diplomacy skills to bring them to the table. On the logistical side, who will decide what is on the ballot, the UN? Maybe three choices: 1) One democratic country for all 2) a sort of PEXIT where Palestinians are totally autonomous in their own separate land 3) or a more cooperative non-occupied "union" between two states since Israel now supplies the water, electricity and internet for Gaza? (I didn't even know that until Netanyahu cruelly cut off their utilities). And will there ever be an option for Palestinians who really just want to get the hell out of Dodge to escape to any country willing to give them asylum with no red tape? And once it is decided, is it forever, or do they get a chance to revisit it in 7 or 10 years?
Then there is the reconstruction. The world community and UN will have to maintain whatever type of situation they agree upon for decades to come, if not forever.
On the emotional side, I am sure everyone on Cindy's forum is drained, there are just no words to describe our feelings, especially when it comes to the children. They both deserve so much better and to grow up with non-violent compassionate leadership.
Hugs to Cindy from all of us for bringing us together during this time...
I support the one-state solution with equal rights for Palestinians and the right of return for them. I know that L.A. Jews for Peace has supported the one-state solution for decades. The one-state solution currently seems like the only solution that would work--other than reloacting Israel. Israel could always be moved to Manhattan and then we'd see how the Wall Street bankers like undergoing the treatment the Palestinians are receiving. Under a two state solution, the government of Israel will continue to commit crimes against humanity.
We were so close...so close...to peace in the Middle East. Look closely and you’ll find the Satanic fingers of George Soros, the CIA, MI6, and the rest of the usual suspects. About all we can do is pray and fast for Palestine...yes...for the whole of the Middle East. There is much more binding us together as a God fearing people than most realize. The crimes against humanity committed by this country, especially, and its “deep state” Satanists scream to heaven for vengeance. We may not like it but justice is coming.
A true two-state solution was never really wanted in practice and is considered by many Israeli and non-Israeli Jewish historians to be a sham proposal, with built-in assurances of failure. Perhaps PM Rabin sincerely supported it; we know what happened to him. I appreciate your idea as being a goal to shoot for. A big issue there, though, is that something resembling a real UN or equivalent would be a good thing to have to insure it; any hopes of that also started to fade after 1948. It's interesting that UN mediator Bernadotte was working on bringing the right of return, via UN Resolution 194, to fruition -- and was "assassinated in Jerusalem in 1948 by the paramilitary Zionist group Lehi," according to the anti-Semitic Wikipedia (and many others). I also believe the late murdered president JFK staunchly supported the implementation of UN Resolution 194 and that U.S. UN representatives presented that case to the UN -- in November 1963.
Cindy Cindy Cindy -- Zionism and Isra-Hell, Occupied Palestine, is a terrorist state, so what sort of peace and sense and humanity are you hoping for?
The Jewish underground groups launched their insurgency against the British on 31 October 1945 with a series of coordinated attacks against the railways, oil refineries, and police boats. The anti-British insurgency continued for nearly two years, in two phases. The first, often referred to as the "United Resistance" phase, lasted from October 1945 to August 1946. During this period, the three groups attempted to coordinate their actions against the British, but political and strategic disagreements precluded a wholly united front. The Haganah used violence as a pressure tactic to persuade the British to change their policy on Jewish immigration into Palestine. So, it limited its attacks mostly to targets related to anti-immigration efforts, such as coastal radar stations and police boats. But it also sabotaged the railway as a way of imposing economic pressure on the British. The Irgun and Stern groups, however, were committed to all-out "national liberation" wars. They did not believe that the British would give Palestine to the Jews and thus were determined to force them out. They tried to increase the human and political costs to Britain of remaining in Palestine by attacking British troops and police, military bases and police stations, oil refineries, trains, bridges, and banks. Between them, the three groups carried out 78 attacks in the nine months after October 1945. However, the united resistance dissolved after the Irgun blew up the British administration headquarters in the King David Hotel in Jerusalem in July 1946, killing 92 people. Following that disaster, which was a grave embarrassment to the moderate Zionists, the Haganah effectively withdrew from armed operations. Unrestrained by the need for a united front, the Irgun and the Stern Gang rapidly escalated the levels of violence nearly four-fold in this second phase, carrying out 286 attacks over the next twelve months. Casualties exceeded 1,000 over the whole two-year period.
In Western popular discourse the term terrorism has long been associated with the Middle East, but particularly with the activities of Palestinian Arab groups, which have dominated the news for the past forty years. But sixty years ago, it was the actions of Jewish terrorists in Palestine that grabbed headlines around the world. Although this campaign is not as well-known today, it raises an important question: is the modern Middle East conflict, in which terrorism plays a prominent role, itself a product of a terrorist campaign?
In this chapter I argue that Jewish terrorism in the 1940s was both tactically and strategically significant. At the tactical level, Jewish terrorists were able to frustrate British security forces and erode their ability to control Palestine. That played a significant role at the strategic level in persuading Britain to withdraw from Palestine, which, in turn, created the conditions that facilitated the founding of Israel, and the consequent creation of an Arab-Palestinian diaspora. The Arab-Israeli conflict, which arose from this situation, has shaped and dominated Middle East politics and diplomacy for much of the last six decades. Thus, Jewish terrorism left the region with a dual legacy of tactical effectiveness and strategic influence. This article will explore and assess both of these legacies.
If I were a Palestinian, I don't know if I could ever trust Israel to be a honest neighbor after all the crimes they have committed. What's happening right now is proof that they want the Palestinians GONE. 😔
Yes, this is demonstrably true
Thanks Cindy - Your approach is the most fair and honorable, and as you say, in the long run, it's the best way forward. The only alternative is violence and domination of the weak by the strong, and that never ends well. The globalists are behind all this of course, and they thrive on divide-and-conquer.
Yes, thank you.
I have been in despair and I just needed to try and lift myself out.
I feel like it doesn't really matter what I do, or think, about anything....
xo
It does. You're an inspiration to the multitudes of us who care. I'm feeling very hopeless too these days but I have to believe this madness will end soon.😟
I second your emotion.
I commend Russia and China for sending signals that they are ready, willing, and able to become "part of the solution" to finally end the seemingly-eternal Israel/Palestinian conflict.
BTW, speaking of reconstituting the rogue State of Israel as "Palestine", you probably know that in the years before the state was founded, the Jewish community of European émigrés were originally referred to as "Palestinians"; that usage faded away, in another instance of Orwellian "rewriting history", when it became geopolitically necessary to pretend that "Palestine" never existed.
Unfortunately, Russia at least rhetorically espouses the UN resolutions mandating the "two-state solution". As you point out, Israel's aggressive territorial expansion (its reincarnation of 1930s Germany's policy of "lebensraum") effectively precludes this provisional solution.
Still, if true diplomacy can be brought back from the dead in the Western Hegemony (which I doubt), the obsolescent UN two-state plan may be a viable starting point. I'm certain that if the West/Israel even nominally begins diplomatic discussions on the basis of attempting to create a two-state reformation, Israel will expect its state to retain, say, 95% of its territory and privileges and cram the Palestinians into the worst 5% of the land.
It's amazing, though appalling, that when some crisis focuses public attention on the Israel/Palestine conflict the perceptions and language so closely mimic the attitudes during the so-called Indian Wars of the 19th Century. Lots of moral outrage, collective self-righteousness, and virtue-signaling deploring the scourge of savage barbarians vainly and wickedly attempting to deter and degrade the superior race's March of Civilization. 😡
thanks!
I propose that the quickest and surest way to end oppressive military occupation in Palestine is:
(1) end ALL U.S. financial aid to Israel
AND
(2) enforce the BDS movement until Israel complies with United Nations human rights declarations.
Russia and China have both made motions, Russia in writing to the UN, China breaking its Cheshire Cat-like silence, and critical of Israel while striking a distinctly pro-Palestinian note, in the last 24 hours to getting the Peace Train rolling. The US is dragging its dug-in heels for Israel, and may get left in the diplomatic dust, again. Mother Nature has spoken, and Israel blames "the weather" for holding up its "ground offensive" into Gaza, which is just a dumb idea in the first place, and would be a lose-lose proposition in any case, whatever the disconnected-from-reality White House thinks or says. Netanyahu's only in it to save his own skin, and I think a lot of Israelis know this.
Both sides have to agree . Israel needs its own country. Palestine as a country must also exist . This dream of each of them having their own homeland where they can feel safe and secure will at this point be very difficult to realize. Sad.
Yes, it has to be their free will and vote. It will take some miraculous diplomacy skills to bring them to the table. On the logistical side, who will decide what is on the ballot, the UN? Maybe three choices: 1) One democratic country for all 2) a sort of PEXIT where Palestinians are totally autonomous in their own separate land 3) or a more cooperative non-occupied "union" between two states since Israel now supplies the water, electricity and internet for Gaza? (I didn't even know that until Netanyahu cruelly cut off their utilities). And will there ever be an option for Palestinians who really just want to get the hell out of Dodge to escape to any country willing to give them asylum with no red tape? And once it is decided, is it forever, or do they get a chance to revisit it in 7 or 10 years?
Then there is the reconstruction. The world community and UN will have to maintain whatever type of situation they agree upon for decades to come, if not forever.
On the emotional side, I am sure everyone on Cindy's forum is drained, there are just no words to describe our feelings, especially when it comes to the children. They both deserve so much better and to grow up with non-violent compassionate leadership.
Hugs to Cindy from all of us for bringing us together during this time...
thank you---I have tears. I have been super-emotional.
We have to be here for each other.
I appreciate you.
xo
I support the one-state solution with equal rights for Palestinians and the right of return for them. I know that L.A. Jews for Peace has supported the one-state solution for decades. The one-state solution currently seems like the only solution that would work--other than reloacting Israel. Israel could always be moved to Manhattan and then we'd see how the Wall Street bankers like undergoing the treatment the Palestinians are receiving. Under a two state solution, the government of Israel will continue to commit crimes against humanity.
agree
We were so close...so close...to peace in the Middle East. Look closely and you’ll find the Satanic fingers of George Soros, the CIA, MI6, and the rest of the usual suspects. About all we can do is pray and fast for Palestine...yes...for the whole of the Middle East. There is much more binding us together as a God fearing people than most realize. The crimes against humanity committed by this country, especially, and its “deep state” Satanists scream to heaven for vengeance. We may not like it but justice is coming.
A true two-state solution was never really wanted in practice and is considered by many Israeli and non-Israeli Jewish historians to be a sham proposal, with built-in assurances of failure. Perhaps PM Rabin sincerely supported it; we know what happened to him. I appreciate your idea as being a goal to shoot for. A big issue there, though, is that something resembling a real UN or equivalent would be a good thing to have to insure it; any hopes of that also started to fade after 1948. It's interesting that UN mediator Bernadotte was working on bringing the right of return, via UN Resolution 194, to fruition -- and was "assassinated in Jerusalem in 1948 by the paramilitary Zionist group Lehi," according to the anti-Semitic Wikipedia (and many others). I also believe the late murdered president JFK staunchly supported the implementation of UN Resolution 194 and that U.S. UN representatives presented that case to the UN -- in November 1963.
Cindy Cindy Cindy -- Zionism and Isra-Hell, Occupied Palestine, is a terrorist state, so what sort of peace and sense and humanity are you hoping for?
The Jewish underground groups launched their insurgency against the British on 31 October 1945 with a series of coordinated attacks against the railways, oil refineries, and police boats. The anti-British insurgency continued for nearly two years, in two phases. The first, often referred to as the "United Resistance" phase, lasted from October 1945 to August 1946. During this period, the three groups attempted to coordinate their actions against the British, but political and strategic disagreements precluded a wholly united front. The Haganah used violence as a pressure tactic to persuade the British to change their policy on Jewish immigration into Palestine. So, it limited its attacks mostly to targets related to anti-immigration efforts, such as coastal radar stations and police boats. But it also sabotaged the railway as a way of imposing economic pressure on the British. The Irgun and Stern groups, however, were committed to all-out "national liberation" wars. They did not believe that the British would give Palestine to the Jews and thus were determined to force them out. They tried to increase the human and political costs to Britain of remaining in Palestine by attacking British troops and police, military bases and police stations, oil refineries, trains, bridges, and banks. Between them, the three groups carried out 78 attacks in the nine months after October 1945. However, the united resistance dissolved after the Irgun blew up the British administration headquarters in the King David Hotel in Jerusalem in July 1946, killing 92 people. Following that disaster, which was a grave embarrassment to the moderate Zionists, the Haganah effectively withdrew from armed operations. Unrestrained by the need for a united front, the Irgun and the Stern Gang rapidly escalated the levels of violence nearly four-fold in this second phase, carrying out 286 attacks over the next twelve months. Casualties exceeded 1,000 over the whole two-year period.
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It's in the culture, sister.
https://journals.lib.unb.ca/index.php/jcs/article/view/10538/11136
In Western popular discourse the term terrorism has long been associated with the Middle East, but particularly with the activities of Palestinian Arab groups, which have dominated the news for the past forty years. But sixty years ago, it was the actions of Jewish terrorists in Palestine that grabbed headlines around the world. Although this campaign is not as well-known today, it raises an important question: is the modern Middle East conflict, in which terrorism plays a prominent role, itself a product of a terrorist campaign?
In this chapter I argue that Jewish terrorism in the 1940s was both tactically and strategically significant. At the tactical level, Jewish terrorists were able to frustrate British security forces and erode their ability to control Palestine. That played a significant role at the strategic level in persuading Britain to withdraw from Palestine, which, in turn, created the conditions that facilitated the founding of Israel, and the consequent creation of an Arab-Palestinian diaspora. The Arab-Israeli conflict, which arose from this situation, has shaped and dominated Middle East politics and diplomacy for much of the last six decades. Thus, Jewish terrorism left the region with a dual legacy of tactical effectiveness and strategic influence. This article will explore and assess both of these legacies.
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Monsters?
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https://paulokirk.substack.com/p/drip-drip-or-death-by-10000-sanctions